Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bible!




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Postby SilentSanctuary » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:39 pm

    

To everyone here: Remember, religion can't save you., nor any works no matter how much effort you exerted for it. Cheers! : :"> :">


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Postby ethelbooba » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:54 pm

SilentSanctuary wrote:To everyone here: Remember, religion can't save you., nor any works no matter how much effort you exerted for it. Cheers! : :"> :">


InDEed, but always remember Jesus founded a Church and it's illogical to say that there's no religion jn a church :)

Like what st James is telling us, James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

The Catholic church only has these :)
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Postby alexonnnnne » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:14 pm

i saw a similar post like this on fb by an INC and all i can say is ya'll people are stupid. we are on the 21st century, you have to respect other people's beliefs! Good God Get A Grip Girl. pwera kasi sa simbahan nyo puro paninira sa ibang religion ang ginagawa ng mga pastor nyo. get yourself some education! X(
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Postby MessMinchin » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:12 pm

loneman21 wrote:Kailan pa naging itim si Hesus tapos may nagbobola pa...

Ito ba ang Hesus na tinuturo ng Bibliya?

Ni hindi nga inutos ni Hesus na gawan natin Siya ng larawan.



RESPECT someone's belief!!! Can you just shut up and get a life. :@)
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Postby CARLISLE » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:50 pm

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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby DivabyNature » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:13 am

Heto na lang! Kung hindi ka Katoliko, huwag mong problemahin ang kanilang intinuturo or isinasagawa. Problemahin mo ang iyong relihiyon!
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Postby hotboytoy » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:29 am

This boils down to one thing - RESPECT.

We Catholics did not question nor critisized other religions about their beliefs and their practices of faith.

Matanong ko lang...
-Nagtatanong ba kami kung bakit nyo kinukwestiyon ang mga imahen namin, na kung ang ibang relihiyon, lets say INC, ay may rebulto din ng kanilang pinuno at inaalayan pa ng bulaklak tuwing kaarawan niya?
-Matanong ko din lang, wala ba kayong mga mahal sa buhay? Wala ba kayong mga larawan nila? Kung mga boyfriends nyo nga at girlfriends, may mga picture kayo sa wallet, sa bahay, sa opisina, eh kami pa kaya na naniniwala sa Pananampalatayang Katoliko? Ang mga imahe ni Jesus, Maria, at mga Santo ay isang pagbibigay pugay at pag alaala sa kanilang kabanalan. Mag ehemplo at inspirasyon ng simbahan. Hindi namin sila sinasamba. Kahuwaran ang sabihin ng pagsamba sa mga imahe. Kung dati kang Katoliko at ginagawa mo ito, mali ang pananampalatayang itinuro sa iyo.
-Kailan kami nakealam sa mga gawain ng ibang relihiyon? Hindi ba palagi nalang kami ang pinakekeelamanan?
Nakialam ba kami at nag komento ng magdiwang ang mga kapatid natin sa INC ng 100 taon ng kanilang pananampalataya? Hindi.
Nakialam ba kami sa mga drum set na pinatutugtog ng mga kapatid nating born again? Hindi.
Nakialam ba kami sa mga pagdodoktrina ng mga kapatid natin sa Dating Daan? Hindi.
Nakikialam ba kami sa mga kapatid nating preachers sa lansangan at pampublikong sasakyan na nanghihingi pa ng love offering matapos mangaral? Hindi.
Nakikialam ba kami sa mga kapatid nating nagbabahaybahay upang maipalaganap ang kanilang paniniwala at pananampalataya? Hindi.
Bakit palagi kami ang hinuhusgahan?

Sa mga taong namumula ng ibang relihiyon, iyan ba ang turo sa inyo ng inyong pananampalataya? Maka Kristiyano ba ang pang aalipusta ng ibang paniniwala at relihiyon? Iyan ba ang turo ni Kristo? Hindi.

Nawa ang lahat ng relihiyon ay mabigyan ng kaukulang RESPETO.

At para sa yo TS, ipagdarasal kita sa Panginoon. Nawa'y mabigyan ka ng grasya ng Diyos na unawain at igalang ang paniniwala ng iba ng sa gayon ay makamit mo din ang panguunawa at respeto na hindi kinakikitaan sa iyo. Kapatid, mahal tayong lahat ng Diyos! :)
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby ethelbooba » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:30 am

CARLISLE wrote:
ISA SA MGA PINAKA MADALING PARAAN PARA YUMAMAN AY ANG MAG TAYO KA NG SARILI MONG SIMBAHAN


#KUMIKITANGkABUHAYAN #SADbUTtrue


Korek ka jan kapatid! Lahat ng simbahang protestante kaya nating ma Trace and founder using "GOOGLE" at kahit sinong protestante pa ang mag search ng Founder ng Catholic Church lalabas na si Jesus Christ nga talaga :) Only the Catholic Church can trace its roots back to the apostles and Jesus, cause the Father of protestantism was once a Catholic,Martin Luther. :) mensahe ko lang sainyo, mag aral sa sariling pananam palataya para hindi maligaw ng mga bagong tayong simbahan na may aral lang ng tao :)
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby steve » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:49 am

Paola De Bracho 2.0 wrote:
loneman21 wrote:Kailan pa naging itim si Hesus tapos may nagbobola pa...

Ito ba ang Hesus na tinuturo ng Bibliya?

Ni hindi nga inutos ni Hesus na gawan natin Siya ng larawan.


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Postby donjc » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:29 pm

kahit si hesus di nya inutos na magbasa ng bible! exodus 20:16 dont shall nit bear false witness against your neighbor
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby loneman21 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:56 pm

Una sa lahat we are discussing in the forum para pag-usapan ang religion at nagpapatungkol sa Bibliya so we should be open to it.

Ang pagmumumura at pagsasalita ng masama sa isang tao o relihiyon instead na pag usapan ang usaping pananampalataya kaya tayo naririto ay hindi makakatulong.

Since hindi ito pagpapakita ng isang maka Kristianong pag-uugali at kung hindi natin kayang depensahan ang ganitong issue o ayaw natin ng ganitong usapin malaya tayong wag makisali kung tingin naman nating hindi natin ito kayang harapin.

Kasi the Word of God matters here not me or not my religion... Ano ba ang sinasabi ng Salita ng Diyos? May supporting verses ba ang mga bagay na pinaniniwalaan ko?

So why we are here to discuss and to defend that matter since maliwanag naman ang sinasabi ng Bibliya in general that God hates idolatry ang paganism and you should not get mad if you obey God's Word.
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Postby loneman21 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:03 pm

Maliwanag po that the Bible teaches na si Kristo ay hindi africano o kulay itim kundi isang hudyo, maliwanag din po na si Hesus ay hindi tinawag na Sto. Nino sa Bibliya at wala kang mababasang ni katiting man patungkol dito o kahit na ang pagawa man ng rebulto o imahe niya ay hindi inutos ng Bibliya...

Ang sabi ni Propeta Isaias na walang magandang makikita sa Kanya so bakit iba iba ang itsura ni Hesus sa mga relihiyon at iba iba ang tawag sa kanya...

Maliwanag naman po na hindi naman bumaba si Kristo para gawan natin siya ng imahen kundi tubusin tayo at bumalik muli sa pagka Diyos sa Espiritu.

We should seek on what the Bible said hindi kung ano ang turo ng ating iglesia o ang ating opinion patungkol sa mga bagay na ito since maliwanag naman na ipinagbabawal ng Diyos ang ganitong practice in 2 Commandments na wag tayong gagawa ng anumang inanyuhan ni wag natin itong yuyukuran o dadalanginan dahil ito ay magiging idolatry kahit na ang purpose natin ay to honor God... If you truly honor God then you must obey Him and praise Him as He say Worship Him in Spirit and Truth -John 4:24.

At hindi rin po ito paninira o pag rerecruit kasi ang punto dito ay ang Salita ng Diyos kaya tayo nasa forum not to disrespect but to share the gospel at kung ano ba ang sinasabi ng Salita ng Diyos.
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby loneman21 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:07 pm

Luke 1:35 does not support Sto. Nino beliefs and even in Matthew that say Jesus the Nazarite yes we believe this one but He is not black.

This is what Luke 1:35

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

In continuation with God's warning about Graven Images and Idolatry...

Isaiah 44: Silang nangagbibigay anyo sa larawang inanyuan ay walang kabuluhan silang lahat; at ang kanilang mga bagay na kinaluluguran ay hindi mapapakinabangan: at ang kanilang sariling mga saksi ay hindi nangakakakita, o nangakakaalam man: upang sila'y mangapahiya. 10Sino ang naganyo sa isang dios, o bumubo ng larawang inanyuan na di pakikinabangan sa anoman? 11Narito, lahat niyang kasama ay mangapapahiya; at ang mga manggagawa ay sa mga tao: mapisan sila, magsitayo sila; sila'y mangatatakot, sila'y mangahihiyang magkakasama.

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Postby loneman21 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:08 pm

Ang tanong po dito eh Saan sa Bibliya? inutos ba ng Diyos yan o pananaw mo lamang? Ang tunay na pananampalataya hindi nakakalimot sa Diyos maging sa di natin nakikita Hebrews 11:1 ito ang tunay na pananampalataya kaya iba ang Diyos sa Tao hindi tayo pinagawan ng larawan ng Diyos para lang di makalimot bagkus pinagbawal pa nga...

WAG KANG GAGAWA NG ANUMANG INANYUHAN SA LANGIT O SA LUPA MAN NI WAG MO ITONG YUYUKURAN O DADALANGINAN... Dahil ang Diyos ay ESPIRITU! Kaya hindi yan utos o turo ng Diyos lahat ay nangangailangan ng respeto not to the extent na gagawan natin ng rebulto ang isa't isa tsaka mo luluhuran o pupunasan ng panyo?

Hindi rin basehan na si Hesu ay nagkatawang tao para gawan mo siya ng rebulto o imahen dahil wala siyang inutos na ganito sa Bibliya tapos may itim at nagbobola pa ito ba ang Hesus na tinuturo ng Bibliya? maliwanag na ito ay turo lamang at opinyon mo o ng simbahan mo hindi utos o turo ng Diyos at ito ay labag sa Diyos na may kasamang sumpa!

Ano bang pinagkaiba ni Baal sa mga diyus diyosan ngayon? WALA! Parehong kahoy, bakal at imahe... Parehong hindi inutos ng Diyos! tapos hihingi ng respeto ngayong sinagot mo mula sa Bibliya... WAG TAYONG HIHIGIT SA NASUSULAT! Ignorance in the Word of God is ignorance of God and Truth! patuloy naming ibabahagi ang ebanghelyo sa lahat at ang katotohanan...

Hindi para manira o ano pa man kundi para sundin ang utos ng Diyos at walang sapilitan... kung ayaw mo ng ganitong usapan malaya kang wag sumagot o makisali kung di mo man nauunawaan ang mga bagay na ito dahil tayong lahat ay haharap sa Diyos at walang maidadahilan ang tao sa harapan Niya na di niya nalaman.
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Postby loneman21 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:09 pm

About the Ark of the Covenant and Cherubim...

Kanino na ba inutos ang Ark, Cherubim at ginto ahas? Sa Israel ba o sa mga Kristiano? Ito ba ay maikukumpara para I justify ang maling pagsamba na di naman inutos ng Diyos? Ano ang significance nito sa kasaysayan ng Israel at ito ba ay nag eexist pa ngayon? (READ FIRST BEFORE POSTING COMMENT):

Maliwanag ang sinasabi ng ikalawang utos na “WAG KANG GAGAWA NG ANUMANG INANYUHAN NA WANGIS NG TAO O HAYOP SA LANGIT O SA LUPA MAN pagka’t ang DIYOS AY “ESPIRITU” at katotohanan sila na sumasamba sa Diyos ay DAPAT sumamba sa “ESPIRITU” at katotohanan... (–JOHN 4:24) Laging dinadahilan ng mga iba ang Ark, Cherubim at ang Ahas?

UNA: Ang mga bagay na ito ay inutos sa ISRAEL hindi sa mga Kristiano o kanino pa man… ayon sa kasaysayan ng Israel…

PANGALAWA: Ang significance nito sa Israel na ibang iba sa mga rebulto o imaheng hindi naman inutos ng Diyos! Hindi dinalanginan ng Israel ang mga ito liban sa ahas kung saan napahamak ang marami at ito ay pinasira ni Moses… ang Ark, Cherubim at Ahas ay hindi na nag eexist ngayon sa Israel tulad ng dati (2 KINGS 18:4)

PANGATLO: Kung ginagaya ito ng ibang religious sectors at ganito ang pagrarason nila MAG PISTA NA RIN KAYA SILA NG TINAPAY NA WALANG LIBADURA AT PAMPASKUWA at gayahin ang mga bagay ng Israel noon? SUBALIT TAYO AY HENTIL AT
MGA KRISTIANO naligtas sa biyaya ng Diyos sa pamamagitan ni Kristo Hesus…

PANG-APAT: IBA ANG GRAVENN IMAGES SA MGA BAGAY NA INUTOS NG DIYOS SA ISRAEL na pinabanal ng Diyos at sa mga bagay na HINDI NAMAN INUTOS NG DIYOS bagkus utos lang ng simbahaban, tao at mga maling paniniwala o tradisyon…

Ginagawa pang dahilan ng iba si RIZAL? Tandaan nating ang DIYOS ay hindi taong tulad natin na kailangan Niya ng rebulto para maalala natin Siya ang tunay na pananampalataya nasa mga bagay na ESPIRITUAL hindi sa mga bagay na nakikita ng mata… at ang tunay na sumampalataya kay Kristo ay hindi nakakalimot at nasa puso Niya ito kailanman… [DAHIL HINDI BINIBIGAY NG DIYOS ANG KANYANG PURI SA MGA BAGAY NA GAWA NG MAKASALANANG TAO NA HINDI NAMAN INUTOS NG DIYOS!]

PANG-LIMA: Sinumpa ng Diyos ang mga sumasamba sa mga rebulto sa ano pa mang kaparaanan hanggang sa ikaapat na salinlahi at dahilan ng maraming pagkakasala maging sa panahong ito… DAHIL ANG TUNAY NA PAPURI, DALANGIN, PAGLILINGKOD AT PAGSAMBA AY SA DIYOS LAMANG HINDI SA TAO O BAGAY!!! Kaya napakahalaga rin ng mga tanong na ito NA MAY INUTOS BA? WAG TAYONG HIHIGIT SA NASUSULAT! Sabi ni Pablo…

ITO ANG LAGING INIIWASAN NA TANONG AT DI NASASAGOT NG IBA NG DIRETSO kundi puro opinion lang nila KUNG SAAN VERSE MAKIKITA NA GAWAN MO SIYA NG REBULTO O IMAHEN NIYA TSAKA MO YUKURAN O DALANGINAN ITO?! MALIWANAG WALA NI ISA! MAGDADAHILAN PA NG LIHIS AT MGA OFF CONTEXT VERSES NA DI NILA NAUUNAWAAN…
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby loneman21 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:15 pm

Let us also stop accusing cause we are not ADD or INC but i am a Baptist kung Church origin lang ang pag-uusapan we can answer that even your Church origin pero magiging off topic na tayo... so again as we are talking about this matter wag tayong magalit kung ito man ang sinasabi ng Bibliya kasi ayan na ang mga verses and we should not use verses that does not even justify wrong practice and beliefs lalo na hindi naman sa atin inutos o nagpapatungkol sa atin... we should not be selfish na laging sarili nalang ang iniisip natin but we should also give time for God's Word and if may mali akong sinasabi ngayon na ayon lang sa pananaw ko then prove it and i am ready to prove what are those na hindi naman tinuro ng Bibliya.

The phrase “graven image” comes from the King James Version and is first found in Exodus 20:4 in the second of the Ten Commandments. The Hebrew word translated “graven image” means literally “an idol.” A graven image is an image carved out of stone, wood, or metal. It could be a statue of a person or animal, or a relief carving in a wall or pole. It is differentiated from a molten image, which is melted metal poured into a cast. Abstract Asherah poles, carved wooden Ba’als covered in gold leaf, and etchings of gods accompanying Egyptian hieroglyphics are all graven images.

The progression of idolatry in a pagan religion generally starts with the acknowledgement of a power that controls natural forces. The presence of the force is then thought to indwell an object, like a stone, or a place, like a mountain. The next step is altering a naturally occurring object, like a standing stone, a deliberately planted tree, or a carved Asherah pole and asking the force to indwell it. When the idolatrous culture has had time to contemplate the personality of the god, they then make corresponding physical images—a statue that looks like a woman or a relief carving that looks like an animal. Graven images can be either of the last two steps.

The spiritual progression is similar. People start with wanting something (Ephesians 5:5; Colossians 3:5), often children or prosperity or good crops. They observe the circumstances (which some acknowledge are God-ordained, and others think are independent) that lead to these things and begin to ascribe to the causal forces human characteristics—thus creating gods. Places are set aside to commune with these false gods. For convenience sake, smaller items, thought to hold the power or the communication line of the gods, are brought into homes. Before long, the people are ensnared by the compulsion to give homage to a thing of their own definition instead of to the God of the universe.

The second commandment, recorded in Exodus 20:4–5, reads, “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them.” Likely, this refers back to the first commandment, “You shall have no other gods before Me,” and specifically forbids the creation of idols. But it is equally dangerous to create an image of God Himself. God has given us reminders enough of His power and glory (Romans 1:20) without man attempting to use created things to represent the Creator.

Functionally, there is no difference between a “graven” image (Deuteronomy 4:16) and a “molten” image (Exodus 34:17). Both are man’s attempt to define and confine the power of God who works over creation. Both are the result of greed and covetousness, along with the fear that God does not have the worshipers’ best interests at heart. Graven images, whether an idol, a crystal, or a charm, are attempts to limit the power of God and reduce it to a small package that we can control. As with any kind of worship, the object of adoration inevitably controls us.

http://www.gotquestions.org/graven-image.html
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby loneman21 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:24 pm

Patuloy tayong mag-aral at matuto sa Salita ng Diyos kaya nga tayo nasa forum para i discuss ang bawat pananampalataya at ang Salita ng Diyos if we are guilty of it aba isipin natin baka hindi natin nasusunod ang Salita ng Diyos and we should not make profane words just because nasasaktan tayo dahil may naghayag ng Saloobin sa maling practice at katuruan since ang iba dito ay sumagot naman upang depensahan ang mga paniniwalang ito but still off context and does not support this kind of beliefs maging sa iba pang religion at mga paniniwala kahit sa ADD pa or INC.

If we can't take this discussion then malaya po tayong wag makisali dahil dapat din naman nating igalang ang freedom of faith and opinion ng iba about religions and beliefs especially kung Bibliya ang pinag uusapan cause the Word of God is speaking in general hindi lang sa specific na religion o paniniwala.

2 Timothy 3:16

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Kaya po tayo binigyan ng utak para tayo ay mag-aral at magsaliksik hindi lang maging tagapakinig o dahil ito ang nakagisnan natin kasi maging sa mga unang Kristiano sa New Testament nagsaliksik sila kung tama ba ang sinasabi ng nagtuturo sa kanila? ito ba ay nasa Bibliya?

Acts 17:11Ngayon lalong naging mararangal ang mga ito kay sa mga taga Tesalonica, sapagka't tinanggap nila ang salita ng buong pagsisikap, at sinisiyasat sa araw-araw ang mga kasulatan, kung tunay nga ang mga bagay na ito.

Kasi haharap tayo sa Diyos at magbibigay sulit sa Kanya hindi mo pwedeng sabihin ay kasi walang nagsabi o kaya naman kasi dahil nais mong i respeto? ang ebanghelyo at Salita ng Diyos ay napakahalaga lalo na na makilala mo si Hesus na Panginoon at Tagapagligtas at kung ano ang kalooban ng Diyos.
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby ethelbooba » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:08 pm

loneman21 wrote:Maliwanag po that the Bible teaches na si Kristo ay hindi africano o kulay itim kundi isang hudyo, maliwanag din po na si Hesus ay hindi tinawag na Sto. Nino sa Bibliya at wala kang mababasang ni katiting man patungkol dito o kahit na ang pagawa man ng rebulto o imahe niya ay hindi inutos ng Bibliya...

Ang sabi ni Propeta Isaias na walang magandang makikita sa Kanya so bakit iba iba ang itsura ni Hesus sa mga relihiyon at iba iba ang tawag sa kanya...

Maliwanag naman po na hindi naman bumaba si Kristo para gawan natin siya ng imahen kundi tubusin tayo at bumalik muli sa pagka Diyos sa Espiritu.

We should seek on what the Bible said hindi kung ano ang turo ng ating iglesia o ang ating opinion patungkol sa mga bagay na ito since maliwanag naman na ipinagbabawal ng Diyos ang ganitong practice in 2 Commandments na wag tayong gagawa ng anumang inanyuhan ni wag natin itong yuyukuran o dadalanginan dahil ito ay magiging idolatry kahit na ang purpose natin ay to honor God... If you truly honor God then you must obey Him and praise Him as He say Worship Him in Spirit and Truth -John 4:24.

At hindi rin po ito paninira o pag rerecruit kasi ang punto dito ay ang Salita ng Diyos kaya tayo nasa forum not to disrespect but to share the gospel at kung ano ba ang sinasabi ng Salita ng Diyos.


You Are already refuted on the first page of this tread mag basa ka, hindi yung nag bubulagbulagan ka sa katotohanan. Masama yan.
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby loneman21 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:23 am

Sino po bang nagbubulagbulagan? ayan ang liwanag na ng sinasabi ng Bibliya... we should focus on it not on our opinion or self interpretation na contrary sa Salita ng Diyos.

Even Paul warn Christians against Idolatry in all forms...

Roma 1: 18Sapagka't ang poot ng Dios ay nahahayag mula sa langit laban sa lahat na kasamaan at kalikuan ng mga tao, na mga sinasawata ang katotohanan ng kalikuan; 19Sapagka't ang nakikilala tungkol sa Dios ay hayag sa kanila; sapagka't ito'y ipinahayag ng Dios sa kanila. 20Sapagka't ang mga bagay niyang hindi nakikita buhat pa nang lalangin ang sanglibutan ay nakikitang maliwanag, sa pagkatanto sa pamamagitan ng mga bagay na ginawa niya, maging ang walang hanggan niyang kapangyarihan at pagka Dios; upang sila'y walang madahilan: 21Sapagka't kahit kilala nila ang Dios, siya'y hindi niluwalhati nilang tulad sa Dios, ni pinasalamatan; kundi bagkus niwalang kabuluhan sa kanilang mga pagmamatuwid at ang mangmang nilang puso ay pinapagdilim. 22Ang mga nangagmamarunong ay naging mga mangmang, 23At pinalitan nila ang kaluwalhatian ng Dios na hindi nasisira, ng isang katulad ng larawan ng tao na nasisira, at ng mga ibon, at ng mga hayop na may apat na paa, at ng mga nagsisigapang.

24Dahil dito'y sa karumihan ng mga pita ng kanilang mga puso ay ibinigay sila ng Dios sa kahalayan, upang alisan nila ng puri ang kanilang mga katawan sa kanikanilang sarili: 25Sapagka't pinalitan nila ang katotohanan ng Dios ng kasinungalingan, at sila'y nagsisamba at nangaglingkod sa nilalang kay sa Lumalang, na siyang pinupuri magpakailan man. Siya nawa.

26Dahil dito'y ibinigay sila ng Dios sa mga mahahalay na pita: sapagka't pinalitan ng kanilang mga babae ang katutubong kagamitan niyaong nalalaban sa katutubo: 27At gayon din naman ang mga lalake, na nang iwan na ang katutubong kagamitan sa mga babae, ay nangagningas sa kanilang karumihan ng pita ang isa't isa, na gumagawa ng kahalayan ang mga lalake sa mga kapuwa lalake, at tumatanggap sa kanilang sarili ng kagantihan ng kanilang pagkakamali.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

Postby loneman21 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:26 am

Question: "What is the definition of idolatry?"

The definition of idolatry, according to Webster, is “the worship of idols or excessive devotion to, or reverence for some person or thing.” An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God. The most prevalent form of idolatry in Bible times was the worship of images that were thought to embody the various pagan deities.

From the beginning, God’s covenant with Israel was based on exclusive worship of Him alone (Exodus 20:3; Deuteronomy 5:7). The Israelites were not even to mention the names of false gods (Exodus 23:13) because to do so would acknowledge their existence and give credence to their power and influence over the people. Israel was forbidden to intermarry with other cultures who embraced false gods, because God knew this would lead to compromise. The book of Hosea uses the imagery of adultery to describe Israel’s continual chasing after other gods, like an unfaithful wife chases after other men. The history of Israel is a sad chronicle of idol worship, punishment, restoration and forgiveness, followed by a return to idolatry. The books of 1 & 2 Samuel, 1 & 2 Kings, and 1 & 2 Chronicles reveal this destructive pattern. The Old Testament prophets endlessly prophesied dire consequences for Israel if they continued in their idolatry. Mostly, they were ignored until it was too late and God’s wrath against idol-worship was poured out on the nation. But ours is a merciful God, and He never failed to forgive and restore them when they repented and sought His forgiveness.

In reality, idols are impotent blocks of stone or wood, and their power exists only in the minds of the worshipers. The idol of the god Dagon was twice knocked to the floor by God to show the Philistines just who was God and who wasn’t (1 Samuel 5:1-5). The “contest” between God and His prophet Elijah and the 450 prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel is a dramatic example of the power of the true God and the impotence of false gods (1 Kings 18:19-40). The testimony of Scripture is that God alone is worthy of worship. Idol worship robs God of the glory that is rightfully His, and that is something He will not tolerate (Isaiah 42:8).

Even today there are religions that bow before statues and icons, a practice forbidden by God’s Word. The significance God places upon it is reflected in the fact that the first of the Ten Commandments refers to idolatry: “You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me” (Exodus 20:3-5).

Idolatry extends beyond the worship of idols and images and false gods. Our modern idols are many and varied. Even for those who do not bow physically before a statue, idolatry is a matter of the heart—pride, self-centeredness, greed, gluttony, a love for possessions and ultimately rebellion against God. Is it any wonder that God hates it?


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Re: Black Nazarene and Sto. Nino? There is no such in the Bi

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Postby loneman21 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:14 pm

I thank God sa Kanyang Salita dahil sa kaalaman na ito na hindi nakakalason kundi nakakagaling at hindi ka maliligaw ng landas.

Sa mga walang pakialam hayaan ang iba na ibahagi ang ebanghelyo at katotohanan since di rin ito nauunawaan wag nalang makisali para di mukhang ksp.

Maraming salamat po at patuloy alamin natin ang Salita ng Diyos at ipamuhay ito.
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