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Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby chellomellow » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:09 pm

    

The Mother of Pageantry, Julia Morley was asked by a pageant fan if she thinks beauty pageants are still relevant. She said NO! :o ... Must Watch!
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby micoexpress5 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:34 pm

...... I agree because now a days winners r not judge on beauty but on how good they say their memorized answers... “they save lives by giving out condoms to prevent AIDS”....”they save Mother Earth by picking up garbage/feces on the street”.....”they give candies to malnourish children”....”they prevent war by wearing bikinis with their trained walks n poses”. Beauty is irrelevant in todays beauty pageants! ...... =;)) ...we still see HIV/AIDs, rivers full of garbage, streets still with garbage/feces/needles, dying malnourish children.... Let’s go back to basic “ Beauty “ Pageants... :)>-
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Postby beautywatchnyc » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:06 pm


Not even the United Nations can do much to provide solutions to the world's ills. Nor the UNHRC has the executive authority to exercise its mandate and put human rights violators behind bars. Which brings us to a reasonable conclusion that beauty pageants must "evolve" to make them relatable and relevant at this time and age.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby pineal » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:37 pm

Very self aware and profound explanation, no wonder MW is the most relevant pageant. As the time changes so does the act of rebellion, so does the drivers of social change.
It is gutsy to take the path less traveled, while most pageants are still using the old formula and therefore have become categorical competitions which isn't wrong as Julia said but none of them accepts this fact atleast publicly, MW chose to be the voice and celebration of young women in it's essence and gave us fans a much needed diversity.
This is what an inherently good and intelligent leadership does to an organisation.
Thanks for sharing this.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby Smile » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:06 pm

Pageants are a niche product. Nobody doubts that. But the pageant industry is making a mistake by moving away from beauty aspects to more socially acceptable ones just because the world is changing.

People who are against pageantry aren't going to suddenly start watching because there's no more SS competition or because pageant orgs change their criteria for evaluating women. They won't even start watching if pageants steer their focus towards charity or philanthropy.

It's a lost cause.

Pageant orgs need to realize that pageantry was, is and will forever be entertainment for a niche audience. And that's OK. There will always be a market for pageants as entertainment, and the goal of every pageant org should be to make sure that pageants are catering to their niche fanbase, not to the masses who simply will never watch. Pageantry is kind of like pro wrestling, an industry that the masses will always be too embarrassed or offended to watch.

This is not to say that pageants shouldn't promote charity work. They should. But they shouldn't make it part of the core criteria for judging.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby JorgeInternational » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:00 pm

In the past and in many interviews, Julia and her late husband Eric Morley, declared that the MW is just entertainment.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby Alvee » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:03 pm

This is why Miss World sets itself apart from the rest of the 'beauty pageants'. Its a celebration of womanhood as a whole empowering them and not objectify women catering to the sole purpose of entertainment. Miss World show and winners have evolved with time. With the changes made in the judging criteria, we have seen wholesome dignified women emerging as winners.
I believe one of the major factors as to why Miss World winners have had successful careers in which ever field they chose (be it entertainment, politics, medical or entrepreneurship etc) is because of Miss World's judging criteria where the contestants are scrutinized in every aspects (physical fitness, personality development, talent, philanthropic endeavors etc) which helped them shape up their personality enabling them to confidently forge ahead in which ever career path they chose post their Miss World stint.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby Alvee » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:04 pm

JorgeInternational wrote:
In the past and in many interviews, Julia and her late husband Eric Morley, declared that the MW is just entertainment.


That was in the past, Miss World has evolved since then.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby mrgary » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:50 pm

In this day and age, I believe that pageants need to have a balance of its culture and purpose. There has to be an entertainment value in it as well as a social cause. Unless a pageant business owner is a multimillionaire, there can be no pageant business without the entertainment factor in it. It is through this process that a pageant business survives as a business entity by acquiring and gaining sponsorship from other business establishments. Without this factor, a pageant business cannot stage a yearly affair if it relied solely on its social cause. It is also through this aspect that it attracts a solid following from mainstream society and media. A huge part of this entertainment factor is the swimsuit segment of the pageant preliminary and final show. After all, the pageant industry is a celebration of femininity. On the other hand, it also needs to focus on social issues to represent the very core, or the heart of the pageant business as a pageant brand. Without its social cause, a pageant business is aimless and becomes a very shallow business entity. It is through its advocacy and platform that solidifies a pageant brand. As a businessman, I see Miss Earth as the most balanced business entity at the moment despite its young age in the pageant industry as compared to its top tier competitors. However, it is getting grander and bigger every year because the business people behind this organisation definitely know what they are doing. Meanwhile, I think Miss World is able to emphasize more on the social platforms of its pageant brand now maybe because it has already generated more than enough funds and equities all throughout the decades since its inception that it can now afford to sacrifice commercial sponsorship and profit. It has now commenced its second-half of the business management cycle where giving back to the community becomes the emphasis and top priority of the organisation.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby hahahahuhu » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:51 pm

She has some good points.

But a beauty pageant is a beauty pageant. Removing the glamour of a pageant will cater to a different audience. And those who are so against pageants will NOT watch it anyway. I'm not in concordance that removing swimsuit allows the girls to be themselves and that girls are just forced to wear swimsuit in pageants. I think its even the contrary. These girls are not forced, they even prepare for it and its a celebration of femininity. Many of them even enjoy the glamour of it. I like to believe that those who are against it have no guts to wear swimsuit in public or who have no discipline to shape their bodies (of course there are exceptions). And these girls in pageant generally don't feel objectified, its those who have contrary opinions who want to impose their opinions who objectify them.

I agree that pageants should evolve, but do not remove its essentials otherwise don't call them pageants anymore.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby the critic » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:29 am

THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF PAGEANT RELEVANCE IS ALWAYS DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK. IN THE 50S WHEN THE MAJOR PAGEANTS OF THIS AGE STARTED OUT THEY WEREN'T AS RELEVANT AS THEY ARE TODAY. FEWER COUNTRIES PARTICIPATED, ORGANIZATION WASNT TRENCHED AND THEY CATER TO ONLY ONE TYPE...EUROPEAN, WITH SPECIFIC BODY MEASUREMENTS. ITS WAS THE ADDITION OF OTHER ASPECTS THAT MADE THEM CATCH ON TO MOST OF THE WORLD. BUT IT'S THE WOMAN BENG OBJECTIFIED IMAGE THAT STUCK IN THE MINDS OF MANY. TODAY PAGEANTS ARE COMPLEX BUSINESSES INCORPORATING EVERYTHING FROM CHARITY TO FASHION TO TOURISM.

TO CALL THEM BEAUTY CONTESTS IS REALLY OUTDATED IF YOU THINK HARD ABOUT IT. WHAT IS BEAUTY AND HOW CAN YOU JUDGE IT? ALOT OF WHATS SEEN ON STAGE IS AN ILLUSION ANYWAY.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby lucy » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:04 am

THIS IS THE REASON WHY MISS WORLD IS THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS AND MOST RELEVANT PAGEANT, IT ALWAYS SETS APART AMONG THE REST OF SUPERFICIAL PAGEANTS! :)>- :=p
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby vinusya » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:47 am

I LOVE JULIA!
If everyone can be a beauty queen, what is hardwork?
Maybe there is no hardwork, only surgeries ?
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Postby vinusya » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:47 am

I LOVE JULIA!
If everyone can be a beauty queen, what is hardwork?
Maybe there is no hardwork, only surgeries ?
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Postby novemberRain » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:27 pm

No wonder she ditched Swimsuit Competition aka Beach/Bitch Beauty , and give the highest scores to Beauty with a purpose project, in the end of the day after your reign is over, you must do some thing to your communities by giving contribution to help others.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby willangel79 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:35 pm

I think most, if not all national Miss World pageants, they still do women parading in bikinis. If Mrs. Morley thinks this should be stopped, she should require all the national competitions to do the same. Otherwise, there is a bit of hypocrisy in what she is saying.

She was asked if beauty pageants are relevant, she said no. But she explained that's why she made some changes to Miss World... basically to still have that relevance.

Yes pageants need to evolve, but I think there is still relevance in it in terms of being a platform for women. Pageants can empower voiceless women, give them opportunities... to travel, to meet people, to learn cultures and if they want, to be a role model.

If Julia Morley thinks pageants are not relevant anymore, then she should stop doing Miss World. But since she still is doing it, I guess she she still finds it relevant?
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby the critic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:25 am

willangel79 wrote:I think most, if not all national Miss World pageants, they still do women parading in bikinis. If Mrs. Morley thinks this should be stopped, she should require all the national competitions to do the same. Otherwise, there is a bit of hypocrisy in what she is saying.

She was asked if beauty pageants are relevant, she said no. But she explained that's why she made some changes to Miss World... basically to still have that relevance.

Yes pageants need to evolve, but I think there is still relevance in it in terms of being a platform for women. Pageants can empower voiceless women, give them opportunities... to travel, to meet people, to learn cultures and if they want, to be a role model.

If Julia Morley thinks pageants are not relevant anymore, then she should stop doing Miss World. But since she still is doing it, I guess she she still finds it relevant?


JULIA DOESNT HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERY NATIONAL PAGEANT. SOME OF THOSE PAGEANTS ALSO SEND CONTESTANTS TO Miss Universe AND OTHER INTERNATIONAL PAGEANTS WHERE SWIM WEAR IS A BIG THING. MANY PAGEANTS IN AFRICA AND ASIA DO NOT HAVE AND NEVER HAD A SWIMSUIT CONTEST BECAUSE ITS NOT CULTURALLY ACCECEPTED LONG BEFORE MW DITCHED THAT SEGMENT.

CLEARLY YOU DID NOT LISTEN THE INTERVIEW BECAUSE IN ESSENCE WHAT SHE SAID WAS THE OLD CONCEPT OF A BEAUTY PAGEANT WOULD NOT BE RELEVANT TODAY. THATS WHY SHE MADE CHANGES AND ADD NEW SEGMENTS TO MAKE IT A VERY DIFFERENT EVENT FROM WHAT IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY WHEN HER HUSBAND FOUNDED IT. SHE DIDN'T SAY PAGEANTS IN GENERAL ARE IRRELEVANT BUT JUDGING WOMEN SOLELY ON THEIR LOOKS IS.
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Postby willangel79 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:16 pm

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willangel79 wrote:I think most, if not all national Miss World pageants, they still do women parading in bikinis. If Mrs. Morley thinks this should be stopped, she should require all the national competitions to do the same. Otherwise, there is a bit of hypocrisy in what she is saying.

She was asked if beauty pageants are relevant, she said no. But she explained that's why she made some changes to Miss World... basically to still have that relevance.

Yes pageants need to evolve, but I think there is still relevance in it in terms of being a platform for women. Pageants can empower voiceless women, give them opportunities... to travel, to meet people, to learn cultures and if they want, to be a role model.

If Julia Morley thinks pageants are not relevant anymore, then she should stop doing Miss World. But since she still is doing it, I guess she she still finds it relevant?


JULIA DOESNT HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERY NATIONAL PAGEANT. SOME OF THOSE PAGEANTS ALSO SEND CONTESTANTS TO Miss Universe AND OTHER INTERNATIONAL PAGEANTS WHERE SWIM WEAR IS A BIG THING. MANY PAGEANTS IN AFRICA AND ASIA DO NOT HAVE AND NEVER HAD A SWIMSUIT CONTEST BECAUSE ITS NOT CULTURALLY ACCECEPTED LONG BEFORE MW DITCHED THAT SEGMENT.

CLEARLY YOU DID NOT LISTEN THE INTERVIEW BECAUSE IN ESSENCE WHAT SHE SAID WAS THE OLD CONCEPT OF A BEAUTY PAGEANT WOULD NOT BE RELEVANT TODAY. THATS WHY SHE MADE CHANGES AND ADD NEW SEGMENTS TO MAKE IT A VERY DIFFERENT EVENT FROM WHAT IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY WHEN HER HUSBAND FOUNDED IT. SHE DIDN'T SAY PAGEANTS IN GENERAL ARE IRRELEVANT BUT JUDGING WOMEN SOLELY ON THEIR LOOKS IS.


I did listen to what she said. But the question to her was if pageants are still relevant today. And her answer was to be relevant, pageants must learn to adapt, and she did some changes to MW, which makes it relevant today... so when she answered NO, she actually means there is still relevance if pageants learn to adapt to changing times.
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Re: Julia Morley - "Beauty Pageants are not Relevant"

Postby trinitruth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:18 pm

Is really just a pappyshow inno. For entertainment, for money, to launch careers. Is not like dem is the UN or something
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